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Poster: Shooting Dark Star Date: Jan 11, 2010 1:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

...the archive is so vast with mucho Grateful Dead music, much of it I've heard, but much of it I haven't heard. Is there a site that rates each year's music. Maybe ranks the shows per year or era? There's a void in much of my GD history that I would love to close, for instance early 80's or even the last 2 years, most of which I didn't collect back in my analog days. Any replies are gratefully appriciated.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Jan 11, 2010 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

As an add on to this thread....
Dead Base has a feature that rates the top shows by year as well as by "alltime".

Was wondering what others think of their rating system?
I think it is a good resource, but I sometimes think that it can be hit or miss. But that just may be my opinion. I say that because I question quite a number of shows that Dick (a so called expert) thought were worthy of release. I know it is a matter of perspective and my perspective is often times different than the mainstream.

So..what say you all?? Is Deadbase a good reference for what Shooting Dark Star is looking for?

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Poster: chinarider79 Date: Jan 11, 2010 5:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

I'd say yes.... Deadbase is a good reference. However, there are some things about those rankings that I don't trust. First off, some of the ranked shows are not in circulation and/or have no available setlist.... this makes me kind of suspicious. Secondly, the list seems a little outdated (no 10/12/68?? come on!!). Lastly, some late-era shows are ranked higher than they probably should be. I think this is because of when the voting took place. Shows that voters attended were fresh in their minds when they complied their list, therefore more likely to make the cut. That's just my theory, though.

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Poster: Shooting Dark Star Date: Jan 11, 2010 4:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

Thank you, I have much already on disk and the link that was provided me was of great help. Within that link there was another that I found quite interesting and maybe a few of you may find interesting as well, http://forums.furthurnet.org/viewtopic.php?t=17670. Interesting stuff. The listening continues.......

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jan 11, 2010 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

If you like Playin and The Other One:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-09-28.sbd.miller.94268.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: CatfishBomb Date: Jan 12, 2010 6:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

Dhamma - would I be able to get that document from you?

I have just started listening to the Dead and would love to have that as a reference as I dive deeper into this wonderful music.

Thanks!

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Jan 11, 2010 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

I'll be happy to send you a Word document with one page per show, containing the 500 most highly rated or downloaded shows, 1965-1979. Each page has a summary, the setlist, notes from Deadlist.com or elsewhere, two or three reviews with historical content, and the URL. It's a little easier to browse through than the online architecture, and you can use it as the beginning of your own catalog or notes on shows. Just send me your email address: mmiedmonds at gee mail dot com :-)

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Poster: deadmax Date: Jan 11, 2010 3:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

We compiled a list on this other site based on Further, LMA, and opinions from that site.

Here's the link:

http://www.deadhookforums.com/showthread.php?t=12686

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jan 11, 2010 5:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

How could they overlook 1/31/1970? An excellent impromptu acoustic set caused by unforeseen circumstances?

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 11, 2010 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

Having just scanned that I gotta say it's a pretty excellent list.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 11, 2010 4:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

Yep; that's cause they carefully compiled ALL of my suggestions, typed them up in BOLD, and then moved them to the top of list. Asked everyone else about who this so called "PM" was, and where he hailed from. Got lots of replies. As a result, they again went over my list in great detail, and I think, with loving care and attention. Examined everyone of my "top ten" by year. They thanked me profusely, if I recall.

Then they deleted them.

Said they had "misplaced" them when I asked.

Harrumph. I think GoP was behind it all the time. That Beka and Max are a couple of good kids--put a lot of work into it, and never would have done that, I am sure.

Seriously, though, they had a series of "votes", and came up with a democratic list that is pretty darn good!! I think it's the best response for first timers wanting something to look over when they pose these sorts of questions, eh?

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 14, 2010 8:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

Hi Tell! I agree. These lists are even helpful to refresh your own memory as to what might have been your favorite shows in days gone by... since one's opinions on favorites can change as you hear more shows... :D

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 11, 2010 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

Here's five "musts":

10-12-68
12-29-68
6-7-70
9-19-70
8-6-71

There are many more, but it's a start. Early era only of course, but you get the idea.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jan 11, 2010 5:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

C'mon man 5-19-66 Avalon is a very early must. I listen to this MF-er every couple of days.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd66-05-19.sbd.sonicsolutions.82844.flac

I don't care what anybody says, that's Pigpen singing on VLBlues.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 11, 2010 6:55pm
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Oh yeah, though I usu go for Sept of that yr for a hit; I just take every opportunity to highlight my short lists of favs from 68-71...

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Poster: DianaW Date: Jan 12, 2010 6:33am
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I am listening to 08-06-71. Geez, where has this show been all my life? This is just about perfect.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 12, 2010 6:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

Many consider it the best AUD, or at least top five, of all time...Note that some of the selections are available via the Road Trip series so you can hear what a great show sounds like via AUD, or SBD, which is interesting (ie, to detect which instruments come thru to what degree, etc., etc.).

Also of interest to note that after Bertha, Bob and Phil tell the tapers, THE tapers, to move back "about 40 ft" and on the AUD, you hear "we ain't moving!"...and of course, we know now that Bob got it wrong, apparently.

Cool.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 12, 2010 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

I don't think the tapers that Bob is talking to are the ones who provided that classic aud. I think you can also here them say something to the effect that it is where they are. Would have been nice if Bob had said something like this though. "Hey if you want to really do some nice "wooh-wooh" sounds you got a move about 500 feet back."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 12, 2010 7:57am
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Yeah, I'd guess you'd have to ask them...Bertrando (sp?) or whoever...I was thinking they say something like "we're staying right here" rather than "that's where we are" but have to go listen to it I suppose.

As with all "myths based on actual events" the myth (ie, "my" myth that it is THE tapers) is better than the reality (ie, if it isn't them)...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 12, 2010 8:06am
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Hey elb--got me going...here's one review that sadly, doesn't really clarify for us, but I suppose if he is implying he was next to Rob B, then they were too close...but maybe he was next to the "other" taper:

"Reviewer: ears&smiles - - December 11, 2007
Subject: 2 audience recordings?? My 3rd show Its great to see this show posted! THANK YOU! I remember this as an awesome rock & rolll experience. An awesome show, leaving this (then 18) kid wondering "Who the heck ARE these guys - hippies, cowboys, or bikers??" Jerry the furry sunglassed happy freak, Bobby the ponytailed kinda western country kid, and Pigpen, the cowboy meanass looking biker dude. Phil the geeky hipster and Billy the normal lookin locomotive. This was my 3rd Dead show, attended impropmtu, tix purchased at the front door (under $15!). I was already yelling for El Paso. I haven't listened to this yet, but I remember the guy next to me setting up his reel-reel and unscrewing an AC outlet cover on the floor into which he plugged his rig. I was getting into mixing and recording at the time as a mid teens audio enthusiast, and talked to him for a minute about it...We were close to the stage and I remember Bobby telling him to back up to get better sound. (My ex used to be amazed that I could remember stuff like this and then forget other important things like our anniversary! Doh!) Anyway, I see 2 auds posted, but aud taping was very rare then, and I saw only the 1 afore mentioned taper guy. Are they really 2 different sources? There was a SB on cassette floating around about 15 or 20 years ago. Every time I pass the Palladium, I think of that show. Every time. Having been to so many of these great shows is one of the few good things about being an "older guy". To the tapers: Rob & Harv, are you guys still around L.A. or the Bay Area? email me at timsroad at yahoo, and I'll buy you a beer or sumthin!"

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 12, 2010 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

Bertrando was not the taper, that is also an error. Harv Kaslow and Craig Todd were the tapers. I think the Bertrando is mis-credited at etree in the upload by the Hamiltons.

Charlie Miller corrects this in his transfer of the aud:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-08-06.fob-SonyECM22p.miller.88816.sbeok.flac16

I asked him if this was different than the Bertrando one and he clarified it. As you say there are lots of myths with this one.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 12, 2010 9:49am
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"I think the Bertrando is mis-credited at etree in the upload by the Hamiltons."

Isn't Diana Hamilton, admin in absentia around these parts, one of those very Hamiltons? Maybe she could shed some light on the misattribution if she stopped by.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 12, 2010 10:43am
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Rob I can't find where I got this information, either at etree or the thread with CM so perhaps it is not correct. Hopefully Diana will come by and set us straight. I think it is possible that she was involved in editing the source info and that there names went on based on what I read at the Hamiltons' etree site. That said, on the transfer that has the Bertrando taping info (shnid 129) This comment was left by the Hamiltons on 06-01-2001

"The source info here has been corrected to that for the known circulating copy, in line with the Compendium, Deadlists, etc. Thanks to Joe Jupille for catching this. Thanks especially to Rob B. for the stellar recording!

BTW, the Hard to Handle from this same recording can be heard on the commercial release Fallout from the Phil Zone ("Phil's Picks" ;) )."

http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=129

(sorry for all the editing)

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2010-01-12 18:40:08

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2010-01-12 18:43:12

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: May 28, 2010 12:45pm
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Well, 2001 and shnid 129 was an *awfully* long time ago now. At that point I think we updated some older info from <=1997 to what was currently reported in ~2001. I expect there have been further updates to many source infos since that era, thanks to the diligence of people like Charlie.

If it's not already commented on 129, someone feel free to post a proper correction in comments, thanks!

(BTW Hey original poster, we don't just share a first name, we share a love of 8/6/71!)

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2010-05-28 19:45:23

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: May 28, 2010 4:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm sure this has been asked before.....

Hello Diana - good to see you around. I was just wondering if you were involved in the planned revival of GDLive, and if so, how're things going with that?

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: May 28, 2010 4:22pm
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I've never had anything to do with GDLive, but I'm glad to hear it's due back up!

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2010-05-28 23:22:28

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 28, 2010 12:48pm
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Hey Diana,

Glad you finally were able to show up!! Yes I think it is already corrected vis a vis 129 source which is why i couldn't find it back in January.

The original poster switched her name to ringolevio here and hopefully she'll see your comments!!

Thanks for chiming in and don't be a stranger!

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 28, 2010 8:35pm
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How on Earth was this dug up?

Couple of moles, Rob and ebl...or maybe, naked mole rats? Cept in that case, the gals run the WHOLE show, I've heard.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 28, 2010 9:37pm
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They always do

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 12, 2010 9:30am
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Whoa--didn't know that...did just listen...can't really tell now that I tried...defn just hear the end, "...right here" but lots of garbled, multiple voices heard.

How about you? Up for some detective work? If you find the time, let me know...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 12, 2010 10:46am
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I tried too but since I am at work it could only crank it with headphones and like you found it a bit garbled. Interestingly in checking out the source issue i mentioned it says that it was taped from 40-50 feet back, dead center which would suggest that the taper was where Bob said they should go to ("right here"). Hard to imagine that Bob could see too far into the crowd to pick out a taper so I assumed he was talking to someone very close to the stage.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 12, 2010 11:46am
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Ah, well that suggests the reviewer above was near the "close" taper, and that's who they talked to, and "our" tapers (Bertrando aliases you mentioned) were back further...I suppose.

Thanks L!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 12, 2010 1:05pm
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From the Taping Compendium:

"Rob Bertrando and some of his college associates recorded that show...with a Sony 770 portable 7-inch reel deck and two battery-powered Sony ECM-22 condenser mikes.
ROB: What many people don't know is that the tapers Bobby is referring to are somebody else. On the reel masters, one can hear those tapers arriving at [our] location about a minute or so later."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 12, 2010 3:16pm
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Well, so are you saying then, LiA, that RobB IS the "author" of the beloved AUD of 8-6? IE, elb's source (Miller???) got it wrong?

And, by extension, the tapers Bob and Phil "talk at" are the "other source" (?), or whomever?

Thanks.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 12, 2010 3:55pm
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http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=197938

From the horse's keyboard.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 12, 2010 4:17pm
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Thanks! But, I guess LiA may not be satisfied?

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 12, 2010 4:27pm
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Well Charlie and LIA will just have to thumb-wrestle over it.

1,2,3 wrestle!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 12, 2010 6:54pm
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Charlie Miller clarified it - Bertrando was not the taper, but the one who circulated Kaslow/Todd's recording.
(If you check Matt Smith's copy, you'll notice it came "via Bertrando" but has the correct taper info.)

It puzzled me too, about Bertrando taking credit for the taping in the Compendium.
My guess is he was there, though, just not the one with his hands on the switches....(Frequently tapers went in groups as protection - one would tape & the others keep a lookout.) And if he was the first one to get these shows into circulation, at the least he must've known the tapers.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 12, 2010 3:37pm
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Could you repeat that in english please?

:)

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Poster: DianaW Date: Jan 12, 2010 7:23am
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Good thing they didn't listen to him, then. This is astounding.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 11, 2010 2:11pm
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I'd have to say that the folks here are among the best judge of what is worth listening to, from any era (seems like everyone has their favorite incarnation of the band and their corresponding favorite shows). Just put out a year and ask for some suggestions and you'll get a plethora of excellent suggestions from the folks here. As much as I razz 'em, they do know what they're talking about (for the most part).